hey MR

You can say whatever and hide your ignorance with your cheerleaders.
You and the cheerleaders aka MODS can make me look as if whatever you want on the forums.

You might as well ip ban me too!  It wont be for any policy that was broken by me. If I berrated you personally I get banned yet you can berrate members :yell:

Your opinion is better than mine simply cause you can moderate mine.

My opinion has much more thought and experience with product’s you never used personally, You have made it very clear with your posting.

One thing you wont be able to smear DAVE is my immaculate USED OIL ANALYSIS that I will be posting soon. better lock them opinons up too.
Oh Im flattered that I piss you off so good! :rotflmao

hey I dont want to be like you, dont tell me I am supposed to do what you tell me with my truck cause it works for you!

I am showing that what I am doing is working for me but you rather call it an OPINION  hey DAVE it is a FACT that I wont ever have to change my oil I will have a longer lasting engine, use less fuel have more spending money so I can come visit you and show you personally! :kick:
Javier

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Originally Posted by idiabuse …Now most cars come new with synthetic oil and the owners manuals now have 10,000+++ mile oil change intervals, even Jiffy lube will not be recommending 3month 3,000 mile intervals in the very near future… Javier

I’m not sure where you got that idea. I have a 2009 Ford Ranger manual in my lap and it still has the 3month/3000mile change interval. WITH synthetic blend.

In fact, we get a letter in the mail from Ford every three months to remind us that the service for our 2005 Ford Taurus is due. I usually take care of that myself, but they send the notice anyway.

Even the 2010 Dodge diesel my boss owns has a little sticker from Speedy Lube in the corner that goes by 3month/3000 miles…

POOR OLE DAVE CANT TAKE THE HEAT   So he has his buds lock the threads after he makes his last word slanderous post.

Originally Posted by idiabuse could we see the pictures? severe and normal service. you ever purchased a Used Oil Analysis kit? The owners manual is usually where Oil type and interval information is located. Many times the smaller booklets have service records also with engine oil interval information. Try find ALL the information on oil/intervals in your owners manuals and additional booklets. I have seen confusing recommendations before for oil change info… Javier

Gladly. Judging by your response, I can guess that you haven’t ever opened one of these.

In fact, you can read it for yourself since my pictures are barely readable:
http://www.fordtaurus.net/documents/…ance-guide.pdf

Yes, I am aware that is only 2007 model year. But it is the exact same as what I currently hold in my hand. The core manual itself has no recommendation outside of that scheduled maintenance guide. In fact, it refers to the use of the linked guide for service intervals. Please be sure to read all the pages. Oh and according to that guide, normal conditions are 5000 miles and severe are 3000 mile intervals. I was a little off, but it is a far cry from 10,000 mile intervals.

Remind me to catch my boss sometime next week and have him take a picture of the oil window sticker, if you still want to see it.

As far as ever purchasing an analysis, I have not purchased one. I may consider it in the future, but the 3000 mile interval seems to be the changing point for my oil as I see it. I’m not fond of waiting until my oil is black molasses to change it.

Happy Thanksgiving,
Dave

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Originally Posted by idiabuse I read many different manufactures owners manuals, I have now a 2002 Mercury Mountaneer and also a Nissan Armada I have been reading. Anyway most people who change thier oil as often as 3 months 3000 miles also can experience (unscheduled maintence) AKA “Run to Failure” From many things, like coolant contamination, Air filter system breach, to name just a few. Just blindly changing oil can mask symptoms of failure, coolant in the oil does not mean your oil will turn to milk shake with 2%/5% coolant intrusion, It will jelly up the inside of the engine, and a routine oil change wont show this. But a UOA will show this thousands of miles or even years before it causes you a day of “Unscheduled maintence”. I dont need any verification from jiffylube on 3000 mile drains. many 2011 model Fords will have 10,000 mile oil change intervals. I know you are against ruining a good engine with expensive oil and used oil analysis, It simply is way too much data to absorb in such a short time between 3month 3000 mile oil changes I need Data to make decisions and without it I will spend much more money than I needed. I hope it is ok I use $150 for 5 gallons of oil. I think it has much more VALUE than lower priced oils. I can only say this cause I have years of DATA to prove to ME that I went in the right direction. If you like to learn something just keep reading, if not leave it alone For the ones who want a third party evaluation of engine oils that is up to date and is factual, here ya go>>>>> http://www.enginebuildermag.com/Arti…l__part_1.aspx I hope I can help people understand that using low quality petrolium will cost you thousands of dollars extra operating your equiptment, Have it your way… Javier

Even though checking obvious things like your coolant, oil and air filter would also help you identify problems like you listed above. “Gee, my coolant seems to be going somewhere and my oil level continues to rise.” Well now, I don’t need an oil analysis to point out the obvious, do I?

As far as 2011 vehicles having 10,000 mile intervals? How about some photos rather than more wives’ tales?

I hope you realize that no one ever stops learning throughout their lifetime, seeing as you are so set on thinking you know it all. In fact, with your attitude of treating everyone like half brained idiots, I’m surprised your shop can keep customers. You can try and sell me on your best snake oil all you want, but generations of trucks using conventional oil prove that our “low grade” oil still WORKS. Until I see other compelling, UNBIASED information, I will continue using what works.

And no, some no-name independent lab will not cut it for me. Not for the price of $150 it certainly would not! Besides, if Amsoil is so bulletproof, why isn’t everyone using it?

I’m finished battling with an Amsoil dealer. You simply can’t muscle people into a product. I actually do plan on switching to synthetic when my engine gets to where it needs a rebuild (afterward of course), but if the rest of the Amsoil community is like you, I will stay FAR away from it!

There is no replacement for displacement

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Originally Posted by stumpjumper3 Are you saying you pay 150 dollars for an oil analysis? Before i buy i used vehicle i get samples done for 13 bucks a pop at CAT. They print everything out and can test any fluid. Conventional oil works. Plain and simple. I love synthetics dont get me wrong. Run them in all the other boxes. Just not the engine. Same with trucks. Synthetic in the trans, both diffs. But conventional oil in the motor. Trucks have been getting a million miles on conventional oil for years with proper maintainence, so i dont see an issue with conventional oil

I’m not sure if you are referring to me or not, but I was referring to the $150 investment in Amsoil and my criticisms about their competitive testing. Not about the UOA. I am thinking about getting a baseline UOA test done on my oil though. Not a bad idea to know where I am at.

I do understand what you mean. Good old Rotella 15w-40 has been working just fine for me in not only my truck, but every piece of farm equipment I own. Low cost, reliable, and it gets the job done. Who needs “creative” marketing when the product speaks for itself?

I’m sure the moderators are a little furious with me, but let me put my opinion in a more civil tone before I get the boot:
I have no problem with people voicing their success with a product, that is fine with me. But when it gets to where someone is flashing a brand name in my face constantly and treats others like lesser beings because they don’t use it…that is where I draw the line. Everyone is entitled to use whatever they want IN whatever they want!

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Originally Posted by idiabuse Thanks! berrate me call me snake oil salesman, call me biased, call an independent lab NO NAME, Calling me a bully, Insult me and my Shop. So far all you can do is attack the messenger yet have nothing to add as far as the message goes. POSTING RULES MUST NOT APPLY TO YOU…. Just to show the other memebers how little you actually think here is your quote That make perfect sense! lets put in GOOD oil when the engine is tired and worn out I am finished with you and your insults SIR! Javier

You should be accustom to that reaction by now when you try and shove your Amsoil prophecy down someone’s throat. I feel I have contributed a fair counter argument to you SIR. You have presented your statements about extended oil drain intervals and I have provided ACTUAL documentation that says otherwise. ALSO note that I acknowledged in a previous post that I was indeed defying posting rules regarding my treatment of you (sorry mods).

I apologize, I thought you would have enough sense to see what I meant in that phrase (others did). Of course you wouldn’t put synthetic into a tired engine…but AFTER the rebuild, why not give it a try? (I will edit my original post to reflect this since you missed it.)

Spare me the auto blogger post. I want to see WORD FOR WORD from the horse’s mouth about your elaboration on extended oil intervals. Present me a press release from Ford.
EDIT: Another thought that came to mind the further that I browsed that blogger post…those statements were made March 22, 2007…yet I linked a 2007 Model year manual that has the same listings for intervals as my 2009 Ranger manual? Something isn’t adding up here…

I’m usually not one to give insults, but when someone such as yourself continually insults myself and others on this board. You had better put on a hard hat.

EDIT: I also noticed you took no time to confront the many other arguments and/or questions of your ideals in this thread…interesting.

Once again to reiterate (since you don’t seem to take the time to read entire posts, since you feel it must be beneath you):

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave7.3 I’m sure the moderators are a little furious with me, but let me put my opinion in a more civil tone before I get the boot: I have no problem with people voicing their success with a product, that is fine with me. But when it gets to where someone is flashing a brand name in my face constantly and treats others like lesser beings because they don’t use it…that is where I draw the line. Everyone is entitled to use whatever they want IN whatever they want!

GOOD DAY SIR.

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There is no replacement for displacement

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[quote][quote=teamroper60;2056393]You do realize your lead, copper and iron are extremely high, don’t you? Your lead and copper are both almost 7 times higher than average (normal is 3ppm) and your iron is almost 5 times higher than normal (normal is 22). Those three things don’t tell me the oil is still protecting the engine. In fact, they say just the opposite.

I don’t care what Amsoil (OA is a division of Amsoil)says, with that level of wear, there is no way I would run that oil anywhere near that long if I planned to keep the truck.[/quote]

Thanks for bringing that up!

You have to take into consideration the fact that your averages are based on results taken by the labs for 5000 mile drains.

My numbers look high but with 22,000 miles on the oil you have to divide the miles by 5000 and then get your 5000 mile averages.

For example, you say the iron at 92ppm is high OK divide 22,000 by 5000 you get 4.4 then divide 92 by 4.4 and my average is 20PPM every 5000 miles, Now, it is not as bad as you mentioned, below the 22PPM average you described.

Also, to add, the vehicle I used was not my personal vehicle, they are things I would of done different like, letting the oil drain HOT for a complete 12 hours minimum, to get as much residual Factory filled oil out of there. This oil sample I presented was the first oil change the truck got since it was new.

So usually you have more wear metals with new engines in the UOA results

Residual oil will skew used oil analysis results, so I use very different methods of changing oil than most people use.

Now I have a question for you Teamroper60 your comment below

[quote]I don’t care what Amsoil (OA is a division of Amsoil)says, with that level of wear[/quote]

Are you saying that OA will knowingly release false information to cover up for AMSOIL?

To make that claim you must have some concrete evidence or you just dont have the slightest clue…

Javier[/quote]

All the best,

Diesel Forum – TheDieselStop.com[/QUOTE]

Ok, I have taken notice, not having a clue is now a insult.

My understanding of this comment [QUOTE]I don’t care what Amsoil (OA is a division of Amsoil)says, with that level of wear[/QUOTE]

says to the other members that AMSOIL and Oil ANALYZERS use deceptive means in evaluating DATA

To the average reader this could be seen as fraudulant information and cause viewers to form a negative opinion of AMSOIL and Oil ANALYZERS.

From my understanding you collect Money from AMSOIL dealers so they can Advertise on your site.

with TeamRoper60 casting negative comments how does this make any sense?

Below are the rules and as I understand TeamRoper should of sent me a private message about the details of AMSOIL/OA using fraudulant practices based on his opinion.

 [QUOTE]There are a many companies providing upgrade items for diesels. Each have their strengths and weaknesses. Discussions of these items is allowed in the appropriate forum however problems with a specific vendor or their product must be discussed privately with that vendor[/QUOTE]

Maybe I dont understand the rules?

Well I will make sure to not insult anyone else.

I can assure you I get insulted, here at TDS but I learned that I actually accept insults as positive comments, so you never see me waste your guys time with pitter patter arguments…

Javier